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Title: Cams
Post by: CaptVic on April 13, 2010, 12:07:37 PM
I order my cams today, TW7 woods, D&D Pipes with quite baffles, and SE open air filter, and PC5 for my FLHTCUSE5.  I will Post the dyno sheets when I get it done.


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Luca Brasi on April 13, 2010, 12:47:53 PM
I order my cams today, TW7 woods, D&D Pipes with quite baffles, and SE open air filter, and PC5 for my FLHTCUSE5.  I will Post the dyno sheets when I get it done.

Just a suggestion on your intake set-up. Use the BC Gerolomy (sp? Tim ?)  air filter kit with the SE Breather/backplate.

B B


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: CaptVic on April 13, 2010, 03:32:31 PM
Thats the one I got,  just couldn't remember what it was call.  Comes with old age. LOL


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Luca Brasi on April 13, 2010, 05:05:37 PM
Thats the one I got,  just couldn't remember what it was call.  Comes with old age. LOL

Will look forward to seeing your dyno chart and better still hearing your description of the seat of pants feel of the bike. Sounds to me like you've got a good set-up planned.


B B


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: CaptVic on April 21, 2010, 02:46:04 PM
Here is the Dyno sheet. 104 HP 117 tq


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Luca Brasi on April 21, 2010, 06:45:44 PM
That's a healthy engine. How's it feel on the street ?

B B


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: CaptVic on April 21, 2010, 08:57:15 PM
Feels good,  I rode it back from New Orleans, about 65 to 70 miles.  I found myself trying to shift to the next gear because it was pulling so hard and I was already in 6th gear.


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Luca Brasi on April 22, 2010, 10:04:17 AM
Feels good,  I rode it back from New Orleans, about 65 to 70 miles.  I found myself trying to shift to the next gear because it was pulling so hard and I was already in 6th gear.

Looks like your next mod will be a Baker 7    ;)

By the way, your Dyno chart starts around 3k. How does the bike do taking off from idle at a stop ? Do you have to keep you revs above 2,500 ?


B B


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: CaptVic on April 24, 2010, 10:25:32 AM
I can take off in first gear without twisting the wick.  I think it has something to do with the tbw. :NXW:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Luca Brasi on April 24, 2010, 08:59:20 PM
So can I borrow the bike for a run against Hoist's Cybil ?  :hyst:


B B


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: mrs rooster on April 25, 2010, 11:51:31 PM
So can I borrow the bike for a run against Hoist's Cybil ?  :hyst:


B B
:PKN: ;D Brian, I guess that means yes since there is no answer  :NXW:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Luca Brasi on April 26, 2010, 10:53:03 AM
:PKN: ;D Brian, I guess that means yes since there is no answer  :NXW:

Karen
        You stole my next line  :.!!.:    :D :D :D :D


B B


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: CaptVic on May 30, 2010, 12:11:12 AM
Sorry I didn't get back sooner.  Had a little mishap. High speed wobble. I couldn't hang on and lost the bike. Friends behind me said it looked like I hit my head.  The last thing I remember is fighting the wobble. The bike is history and I have two broken legs and a few other things.  It going to be a while before I can walk again. Well I guess I will be looking at the 2011 when they come out. If they don't come out until I can walk again I still have the softail I can ride. LOL


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Posty McPosterson on May 30, 2010, 07:43:51 AM
Sorry I didn't get back sooner.  Had a little mishap. High speed wobble. I couldn't hang on and lost the bike. Friends behind me said it looked like I hit my head.  The last thing I remember is fighting the wobble. The bike is history and I have two broken legs and a few other things.  It going to be a while before I can walk again. Well I guess I will be looking at the 2011 when they come out. If they don't come out until I can walk again I still have the softail I can ride. LOL

Holey CRAP Vic!  That sucks out loud!  Hang in there and keep up the positive attitude!  :2vrolijk_21:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: mrs rooster on May 30, 2010, 12:33:34 PM
Sorry I didn't get back sooner.  Had a little mishap. High speed wobble. I couldn't hang on and lost the bike. Friends behind me said it looked like I hit my head.  The last thing I remember is fighting the wobble. The bike is history and I have two broken legs and a few other things.  It going to be a while before I can walk again. Well I guess I will be looking at the 2011 when they come out. If they don't come out until I can walk again I still have the softail I can ride. LOL

 OMG!!! Glad you are able to tell the story. What caused the high speed wobble was it at speed or coming off the speed? I'm a new rider is there anything you can share.
Glad your going to be OK.


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: CaptVic on May 30, 2010, 04:51:50 PM
I have had wobble before but never like this. I had the bike serviced at 1000 miles and told the shop that It had a wobble at speeds and they said they could find nothing wrong.  Was out riding with friends. (4 other hd and mine is the only one that wobble. Same road same speed. The bike has 2400 miles on it. The bar was going from stop to stop and I just could not hold it.


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Hoist! on May 31, 2010, 09:05:40 AM
I have had wobble before but never like this. I had the bike serviced at 1000 miles and told the shop that It had a wobble at speeds and they said they could find nothing wrong.  Was out riding with friends. (4 other hd and mine is the only one that wobble. Same road same speed. The bike has 2400 miles on it. The bar was going from stop to stop and I just could not hold it.

DAMN!!!! So sorry to hear this Vic! I hope you make a full recovery and suffer no lasting ill effects from it! Feel better man! And of course these assholes will tell you there's nothing wrong! "They all do that! Yep, we make a motorcycle that'll potentially kill all of you at one point or another. But hey, you're riding a bike, you got a good chance of dying on it anyway!" :NXW: :NXW: :NXW:

If Willie G went down in a high speed wobble, maybe then thed do something about it!!! FTF!!! :.!!.: :.!!.: :.!!.: :.!!.: :.!!.:

Hoist! :coolblue:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: CaptVic on May 31, 2010, 10:09:09 AM
Thanks Hoist.  This is my 4th touring bike well 5 if you count the softail. I had 2 riders in front of me and two behind me.  The two that were behind me said the bike was wobbling so bad my feet were not staying on the floor boards. I am glad they total the bike, I would not have felt save on that bike again.  That said,  I think I will wait till the 2011 to come out before I replace it.


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Black Diamond on May 31, 2010, 12:41:21 PM
Sorry to hear about your mishap.

I just got back from the Great Smoky Mountain area. Was running with Just Us 6 in the +115 mph area when I let off as a PU was in my lane and I was closing fast. Just opened my hand to let her motor brake. WOW! She started shaking front to rear. I added a little power which reduced the shake/wobble.

I have been at these speeds before with this scooter. Never a problem. Only thing I changed was the front pulley to a 30T with a new belt sized for this mod. I've had most of the C&C solo seat removed from my ass so I can still use it!

JW


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: RedDevil on May 31, 2010, 01:10:24 PM
Sorry to hear about your mishap.

I just got back from the Great Smoky Mountain area. Was running with Just Us 6 in the +115 mph area when I let off as a PU was in my lane and I was closing fast. Just opened my hand to let her motor brake. WOW! She started shaking front to rear. I added a little power which reduced the shake/wobble.

I have been at these speeds before with this scooter. Never a problem. Only thing I changed was the front pulley to a 30T with a new belt sized for this mod. I've had most of the C&C solo seat removed from my ass so I can still use it!

JW

My first question would be what were you doing in the +115 mph area on a motorcycle in the first place, but whatever spins your prop...

:FLMDV:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Black Diamond on May 31, 2010, 08:28:04 PM
My first question would be what were you doing in the +115 mph area on a motorcycle in the first place, but whatever spins your prop...

:FLMDV:

No doubt it is not my brightest move but it does happen infrequently. I have been known to make mistakes.   :NXW:

JW


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: CaptVic on June 01, 2010, 05:30:45 AM
Same here. :NXW:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: J-Carr on June 01, 2010, 06:47:10 AM
We all make mistakes but Howie's right on the money... They have to fix the wobble.  I guess the '09 and newer frame is supposed to but I've still heard of some people complaining.

Regardless Vic, get better quick!

Ride Safe,
JC


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: HRD-HD (grc) on June 01, 2010, 07:47:41 AM
We all make mistakes but Howie's right on the money... They have to fix the wobble.  I guess the '09 and newer frame is supposed to but I've still heard of some people complaining.

Regardless Vic, get better quick!

Ride Safe,
JC

The new frame and swingarm combination does seem to make a significant difference in the rear steer problem, but the front end high speed wobble tendencies of the Electraglide weren't really addressed in the '09 changes.  The steering head rake is still very steep, the fork mounted fairing still applies forces to the front end that aren't offset by anything other than the gyroscopic effect of the wheel (no steering damper), etc. 

I guess we could all just "tsk tsk" folks for riding over 60 mph and thus opening themselves up to the possibility of their Harley spitting them off, but on the other hand I believe it's the manufacturer's responsibility to make the machine stable at any speed it can attain.  If the clowns in Milwaukee can't figure out how to do it, they need to radically lower the speed capability to match the capabilities (or lack thereof) of the chassis.  Of course, just adding an electronic governor like many auto's do won't help much, since the first thing folks have to do to make a Harley run decent is to get a tuning device and the first thing to be changed would be any top speed limit, no doubt in my mind.  So perhaps what H-D needs to do is to revert back to the powertrain that would automatically limit speeds to match the capabilities of the chassis.  Coming soon to a dealer near you, the all new 2011 Panhead Electraglide.  Combined with the near 1000 pound weight of the bike, the anemic power output should finally put the Electraglide high speed wobble to rest.   


Jerry


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: J-Carr on June 01, 2010, 09:12:54 AM
The new frame and swingarm combination does seem to make a significant difference in the rear steer problem, but the front end high speed wobble tendencies of the Electraglide weren't really addressed in the '09 changes.  The steering head rake is still very steep, the fork mounted fairing still applies forces to the front end that aren't offset by anything other than the gyroscopic effect of the wheel (no steering damper), etc. 

I guess we could all just "tsk tsk" folks for riding over 60 mph and thus opening themselves up to the possibility of their Harley spitting them off, but on the other hand I believe it's the manufacturer's responsibility to make the machine stable at any speed it can attain.  If the clowns in Milwaukee can't figure out how to do it, they need to radically lower the speed capability to match the capabilities (or lack thereof) of the chassis.  Of course, just adding an electronic governor like many auto's do won't help much, since the first thing folks have to do to make a Harley run decent is to get a tuning device and the first thing to be changed would be any top speed limit, no doubt in my mind.  So perhaps what H-D needs to do is to revert back to the powertrain that would automatically limit speeds to match the capabilities of the chassis.  Coming soon to a dealer near you, the all new 2011 Panhead Electraglide.  Combined with the near 1000 pound weight of the bike, the anemic power output should finally put the Electraglide high speed wobble to rest.   


Jerry
Jerry, I ride as conservatively as anyone on this site.  Not because I can't ride fast, but because I choose to ride slow.  But even my definition of slow has had me get some wobble.  Letting off from 75 mph through a sweeper because of a sudden traffic switch.  Not braking, just backing off the throttle.  So making the a governer that keeps bikes below what in some states is the legal speed limit isn't an answer.

I know you were being facitious but this is one of those per peeves of mine.  Fortunately I didn't always realize I like to cruise slow and enjoy the country I'm riding through.  So I know how to ride stupid fast and I'm not afraid of the throttle when I need it.  I gassed out of the wobble, crawled up the offending cars bumper did a semi lane split to get around and pulled away safely.  But not everyone has that experience.

What really troubles me is that my buddy got it on a Road King.  Howie's had it on a Road King.  It's not (just) the fairing.  Howie's redone the front end to the point that I'd have to believe that it's a right as engineering allows.  So where's the answer?  Rake it out some and kill the slow speed manuvering that a touring frame alows?  I don't have the answer, but I do expect better from the people who SHOULD know what to do.  The people who design them.

Ride Safe,
JC


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Hoist! on June 01, 2010, 09:16:05 AM
115 is NO MISTAKE!!! First off, just cause you have a 55 or 65 MPH speed limit, doesn't mean it's not higher, or even non-existent in other locales. The speedos all go to 120. Every component of the bike like the tires, the engine, the gearing,etc, are made to perform at these speeds. HD's problem is they designed this thing when these speeds weren't achievable, but never changed the basic design. Don't ask me how they put these things under Highway Patrols asses! Risky business for the MoCo if you ask me! They changed the '09's CAUSE THEY'RE CHEAPER TO BUILD, not to fix a wobble. They'll NEVER admit to that wobble. You don't de-rake a bike for high speed performance! Not, like Jerry said, without adding some type of stabilization! Yeah, the design is great for parade duty and all that Ride Like A Pro crap! But not for high speed straight line riding! You don't see drag bikes with a 26 deg rake!!! f$#@ing douche bags!!! :EXP: :EXP: :EXP: >:( >:( >:(

I hope the TriGlide steering damper I installed does the trick. Should get Cybil back shortly, and I'll let ya'll know how it worked out! ;)

Hoist! :coolblue:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: HRD-HD (grc) on June 01, 2010, 01:58:27 PM

JC, you're right, I was being facetious, cynical, and sarcastic all in one post.  Kind of my normal mode, now that I think about it. 

The Road King shares most of the components of the Electraglide, including the inherently unstable front end.  One has a fork mounted windshield, the other a fork mounted fairing.  Both have higher than normal rates of wobble, going back as many years as I've been involved with Harley's and probably many more.  Harley management cannot claim ignorance, they've been sued more times than probably any manufacturer over this particular issue.  And they've agreed to a lot of settlements with those nice "nondisclosure" features, so the public never gets to see the evidence laid out in a courtroom.  I would guess that they know exactly what it would take to fix the problem, but they also have no intention of doing anything that will be an obvious admission that the current design is unstable.  For instance, they might put a stabilizer on the Trike, since they can always argue it's a totally different animal, but they'll never add one to the 2 wheeled Touring models.  Same with changing the front end geometry to a more stable (but less maneuverable for parade mode) design.


Jerry


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: RedDevil on June 01, 2010, 03:19:48 PM
Don't get me wrong folks, driving slower is not the answer to a design fault on the MoCo's part. Someone hit it on the head before.  The MoCo probably won't do anything about it until Willy G goes through a tank slapper once and complains about it. 

I wasn't speaking just Harleys when I question 115mph on the highway. I question going that on any motorcycle regardless of the posted speed limit.  I was talking to a guy down in Florida a while back that had a twin turbo'd Hyabusa (dumb IMO) and asked him what the top end was on it.  He said all he knows it will go fast enough for $2400 and a six month suspended license.   :o 

:FLMDV:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Black Diamond on June 01, 2010, 09:53:55 PM
It seems strange to me that this wobble goblin makes an appearance after 30,000 miles. I've been riding this scooter, and all my other scooters the same way for years. It is upsetting that this can occur out of the blue.

I'll have the neck bearing and swingarm bushings checked and replaces as necessary. But how will I know it's fixed. I've never had it happen before so ....

JW


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Black Diamond on June 01, 2010, 09:56:36 PM
Don't get me wrong folks, driving slower is not the answer to a design fault on the MoCo's part. Someone hit it on the head before.  The MoCo probably won't do anything about it until Willy G goes through a tank slapper once and complains about it. 

I wasn't speaking just Harleys when I question 115mph on the highway. I question going that on any motorcycle regardless of the posted speed limit.  I was talking to a guy down in Florida a while back that had a twin turbo'd Hyabusa (dumb IMO) and asked him what the top end was on it.  He said all he knows it will go fast enough for $2400 and a six month suspended license.   :o 

:FLMDV:

RedDevil

I respect your opinion about the speed as well as your right to express it. We all make decisions we are responsible for!

JW


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: RedDevil on June 01, 2010, 10:05:02 PM
It seems strange to me that this wobble goblin makes an appearance after 30,000 miles. I've been riding this scooter, and all my other scooters the same way for years. It is upsetting that this can occur out of the blue.

I'll have the neck bearing and swingarm bushings checked and replaces as necessary. But how will I know it's fixed. I've never had it happen before so ....

JW

That's the sad part of this whole thing JW, not knowing whether replacing the parts will fix the problem.  Hopefully, it won't ever happen again.  I've never experienced a "tank slapper" and I hope I never do.

:FLMDV:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: J-Carr on June 02, 2010, 07:11:32 AM
I'll have the neck bearing and swingarm bushings checked and replaces as necessary. But how will I know it's fixed. I've never had it happen before so ....

JW

That's what scares the hell out of me too!  If they find a neck bearing that's colapsed or a failed bushing at least you know there was something wrong.  But so often they just make adjustments and you have no idea if it made it better or worse.

I agree with Charlie that you wont see me on the high side of 100, but that doesn't mean a thing regarding the problem.  Today I had an idiot behind me who I needed to get some space from for safety.  I took it up to 75 or 80 to open up a gap and drove through a sweeper.  But the entire time I'm waiting for a wobble as it was less then that speed that I had one before.  In fact it was on the same turn but in the opposite direction!  So maybe I only wobble to the right since I'm left handed. LOL.  Regardless of wether we ride at Hoist speed or JC speed this wobble issue is frightening.

Let us know if they find anything.  I bet they don't.  If you don't tell them to pull the trees they don't really check everything that they should.

Ride Safe,
JC


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: CaptVic on June 02, 2010, 08:41:18 AM
I don't know if this will help, but when I get my new bike I am going to install a true track and whatever else I can to stop the wobble. >:(


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Hoist! on June 02, 2010, 09:02:29 AM
I don't know if this will help, but when I get my new bike I am going to install a true track and whatever else I can to stop the wobble. >:(

Well Vic, I have a TrueTrack, and Traxxion AK-20 front end conversion! It still wobbled! I was able to make it wobble under certain conditions. That at least made it easier for me to control, when it did come on unexpectedly. A lil practice was helpful. Adding throttle and not braking helps get out of it. I've tried different tire brands. No help. Now I just added a TriGlide Steering Damper. We'll see if that helps or not. Not much else I can do except to take the whole bike apart and have the frame Blueprinted. I'm not about to do that at this point. This is an inherent flaw in the basic FLH/FLT rubber-mount design. Some frames are more "correct" than others due to HD's wonderful QC when making these frames. Seems close enough is good enough for them. Let's see if the damper helps! Feel better Vic!

Hoist! :coolblue:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: iski on June 02, 2010, 09:25:12 AM
In 2011 the MoCo will address this problem with their new touring model the "Weeble".


Weebles wobble but they don't fall down....



Early paint prototype:
(http://trueblueblood.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/weeble.jpg)


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: J-Carr on June 02, 2010, 09:30:06 AM
In 2011 the MoCo will address this problem with their new touring model the "Weeble".


Weebles wobble but they don't fall down....

You just couldn't resist could you?  And you knew Jim would do it if you didn't, right?   :hyst:  :hyst:  :hyst:

Ride Safe,
JC


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Miker on June 02, 2010, 09:33:36 AM
HD does not have the patent on wobble:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfscA6Ybd2o


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Miker on June 02, 2010, 09:35:25 AM
And recovery...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fa0GmdSN4A


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: CaptVic on June 02, 2010, 09:43:02 AM
Hoist I did apply throttle when it first started to wobble and it help for a little while,  but then it really got bad. I didn't apply brakes. I never had a HD wobble that bad before. ??? I don't know what else I could have done to stop it.


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: iski on June 02, 2010, 10:19:17 AM
You just couldn't resist could you?  And you knew Jim would do it if you didn't, right?   :hyst:  :hyst:  :hyst:

Ride Safe,
JC

After a couple of days & he did not take it there, figured somebody had to. :hyst:


Had the wobble once & must have been the milder version - on the 07 ultra.  Never had it on the RK.  It sucked, not sure why it happened except it was a windy day (?) & since it never reoccurred never worried too much about it.  I was well north of 100 when it appeared, and it was on decel only.  Accelerated some then carefully took it back down. 

Have had the new bike over 100 a couple of times & appears to handle a LOT better.  Frame & suspension are better no doubt.  Wonder if it is more bike specific or situational?


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: iski on June 02, 2010, 10:23:44 AM
And recovery...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fa0GmdSN4A

Seems to be a 2 wheel phenom, not only HD. 

I could ride like that too, if I had been born different.


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Hoist! on June 02, 2010, 10:40:03 AM
Hoist I did apply throttle when it first started to wobble and it help for a little while,  but then it really got bad. I didn't apply brakes. I never had a HD wobble that bad before. ??? I don't know what else I could have done to stop it.

Not much more you could'a done Vic. Apply some throttle, give the bars a lil yank to try to pull it out. Keep doing something and hope it stops before you get thrown off. I find that by being able to predict the wobble, allows me to not ride there as often as possible! ;)

Seems to be a 2 wheel phenom, not only HD. 

I could ride like that too, if I had been born different.

That it is Mike! Had it on my '95 Dyna Convertible too. Also a de-raked model at 28 deg. And that's with a tall 39mm narrow glide front end. FL's have a smaller 26deg rake. You need more rake to be stable at straight line high speeds. The TrueTrack will help with the rear wheel steering issues, which seem to be better with the '09+ frames. But they've done NOTHING to account for/correct the front end high speed wobble at all! That's why I'm hoping the damper helps there. Because so far, nothing else has helped that! :EXP: >:(

Hoist! :coolblue:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Miker on June 02, 2010, 11:24:31 AM
The weak front forks at the steeper rake cannot stay rigid with the force of rotational mass "pushing" on them, thats why you get it at decel...They flex as the force from the engine internals, rider, rear wheel and glare, dyna beads and nitrogen go forward in acceleration and the front end does not, it becomes unstable.  

We call it the "momentum of inertia" or "rotational inertia" in my business, very bad with 15-30 ton combustion turbine spinning at 5150 rpm and generators at 3600 rpm... :EXP: :EXP: :EXP: and thats why my machines do NOT  ;D  have front forks... Maybe Neracar was onto something?



Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Posty McPosterson on June 02, 2010, 11:28:25 AM
The weak front forks at the steeper rake cannot stay rigid with the force of rotational mass "pushing" on them, thats why you get it at decel...They flex as the force from the engine internals, rider, rear wheel and glare, dyna beads and nitrogen go forward in acceleration and the front end does not, it becomes unstable.  

We call it the "momentum of inertia" or "rotational inertia" in my business, very bad with 15-30 ton combustion turbine spinning at 5150 rpm and generators at 3600 rpm... :EXP: :EXP: :EXP: and thats why my machines do have front forks... Maybe Neracar was onto something?

Man, you sure know your forks

(http://www.foundchit.com/images/fan-fork.jpg)


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: iski on June 02, 2010, 11:40:56 AM
Howie - Never experienced this on another bike - the old bikes were either slower or made better.



(http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/072309/bent-fork-dishwasher.gif)


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Black Diamond on June 03, 2010, 01:22:13 PM
HD does not have the patent on wobble:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfscA6Ybd2o

Heck after seen that, I'm sorry I complained at all!  :hyst:


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: Luca Brasi on June 06, 2010, 06:48:12 AM
I'm just postin on this thread in case any of you have missed the fact that I'm lettin you have this thread to yourselves.


B B


Title: Re: Cams
Post by: BayouBiker on June 06, 2010, 07:00:40 AM
I'm just postin on this thread in case any of you have missed the fact that I'm lettin you have this thread to yourselves.


B B

ditto!

Oh, wait, nevermind.
I have a '07 SEUC with HD 211 cams....